[17:48] <%Ladida> http://boing.themuncher.net/smw/screenshots/grasswat3.PNG [17:48] <%Ladida> reminds me of nsmb :> [17:48] ^ 01[17:48] http://www.smwcentral.net/?p=viewthread&t=38165 meh MSU1 sucks 01[17:48] who agrees [17:49] me [17:49] the big colored blocks are a direct tribute to NSMBW sky levels [17:49] :3 [17:49] takes out alot [17:49] <%Ladida> msu1 is pretty cool [17:49] actually [17:50] msu1 is stupid 01[17:50] ^ 01[17:50] imo [17:50] oh come on [17:50] custom expansion chips? [17:50] oh um on [17:50] wav music in snes games? [17:50] f [17:50] yeah its stupid [17:50] that's just fucking ridiculous [17:50] also fail zkip [17:50] :P [17:51] but yeah [17:51] might as well make your own game [17:51] plus [17:51] I consider custom expansion chips to be cheating 01[17:51] its horrible for the people who are really good at porting [17:51] since you are pretty much modifying the emulator itself [17:51] like [17:51] who cares [17:51] i seriously doubt any flash cart will hold it [17:51] guys [17:51] I mean [17:51] the idea itself [17:51] is pretty cool [17:51] but [17:51] I think byuu trolled you all [17:52] it just feels like [17:52] well [17:52] best troll ever [17:52] cheating 01[17:52] lol [17:52] d 01[17:52] also i agree with Jimmy [17:52] http://172.162.107.135/smw_00000.png 01[17:52] why not just make your own fangame instead [17:52] guys look [17:52] exactly [17:52] <%Ladida> so expansion chips are cheating? [17:52] custom ones anyway [17:53] since they are modifications to the actual emulator [17:53] <%Ladida> arent expansion chips custom? 01[17:53] you're hacking the snes hardware arent you 01[17:53] how is that not cheating [17:53] http://172.162.107.135/smw_00000.png < im sorry i thought that thing was a penis im not joking [17:53] at first clance [17:53] glance* [17:53] baw [17:53] Sonikku sfdghdesfdes [17:53] nice bush, zkip [17:53] I thought expansion chips were included in the cartridges themselves? [17:53] WHY [17:54] ;) [17:54] but I really don't know much on the matter [17:54] wait what [17:54] or anything [17:54] I don't believe in expansion chips [17:54] <%Ladida> that would mean the people who made games like yi and pilotwings and whatever the hell uses expansion chips were cheating [17:54] whether or not they exist [17:54] <%Ladida> if they can cheat why can't we ;) [17:54] I still don't believe in them 01[17:54] it doesnt matter whats already there, the thing is, your hacking the snes hardware 01[17:54] you're* 03[17:54] * Ladida is now known as Ladida|ReaDDing [17:56] correct me if I'm wrong; the expansion chips are included in the cartridge not the SNES [17:56] so you'd be [17:56] "hacking" hardware [17:56] but not SNES hardware 01[17:57] err 01[17:57] whatever [17:57] theoretically it could run on a real SNES [17:57] if you manufactured a custom cart [17:57] with the chip 01[17:58] yeah but you may as well make a fangame. honestly BMF's hack looked like fangame, not even a snes one so whats the point. and also you arent appreciating the hardwork some people put into the ports anymore [17:58] looked? or sounded [17:58] and also you arent appreciating the hardwork some people put into the ports anymore [17:58] yeah [17:58] I'm actually not a fan of it myself I just like a good debate :P [17:58] :( [17:59] I mean [17:59] I won't use it [17:59] neither will I [17:59] mostly because it doesn't fit the medium 02[17:59] * Hobz (Mibbit@caffie-7F252D7E.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: sexylophone - the most pleasurable instrument to play.) 01[18:00] yeah, looked to it. so many incredible ASM hacks lol 01[18:00] err 01[18:00] looked.* [18:01] hmm [18:01] I suppose I should actually download bsnes [18:01] in order to run this hack properly [18:03] what the fuck [18:03] why is bsnes not in the tools section [18:03] aaaaaaa 01[18:03] go to byuu's site 01[18:03] http://byuu.org i think [18:04] already found a download [18:05] holy fuck [18:05] dddddd [18:05] BMF's hack [18:05] holy shit 01[18:05] what 01[18:05] havent you tried it before [18:05] THIS IS NOT A SMW HACK [18:05] I'm just now trying it 01[18:05] o_o ok 01[18:05] yeah [18:05] I just read WYE's thread about it [18:05] d 01[18:05] doesnt even look like one :P [18:06] THIS IS NOT EVEN A SNES GAME 01[18:06] ITS A COOL HAX ZOMG [18:06] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> I suppose I should actually download bsnes [18:07] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> what the hell you dont have bsnes? 01[18:07] his ROM actually loads in LM too 01[18:07] also i didnt have it either, i just downloaded it for this one hack [18:07] o.o [18:07] THIS LOOKS LIKE A FUCKIN FANGAME [18:07] hmm? [18:08] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> jimmy came buckets [18:08] this is awesome and all [18:08] but [18:08] THIS ISN'T RIGHT [18:08] sfdgsfdd [18:08] whats awesome but not right? [18:08] jimmy stop torretsing [18:08] on second thought don't answer that [18:08] lol [18:08] http://www.smwcentral.net/?p=viewthread&t=38165 [18:08] this [18:09] read it [18:09] leIa en mentioning this for weeks now!! >.> [18:09] I have been mentioning* 01[18:09] i say we permaban people who submit hacks which use MSU1 and z-line them from this server 06[18:09] * Iceguy runs [18:09] lol [18:10] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> i will release 4 versions of my hack [18:10] lol [18:10] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> 1 using normal music [18:10] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> 1 using msu1 [18:10] fedgss [18:10] don't do it ladida [18:10] it's a trap [18:10] :( [18:10] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> and one for each of the above, but it's all in japanese [18:10] MSU1 IS 4EVIL 01[18:10] you forgot 1 using smw music, or is that normal music [18:10] >8( [18:10] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> that's normal 01[18:11] oh [18:11] smw music doesn't even deserve to exist in hacks anymore [18:11] just sayin' 01[18:11] yep [18:11] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> jimmy is evil [18:11] There is supposedly actually a working effort to attempt at making a working msu1 I heard [18:11] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> msu1 is evil [18:11] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> therefore jimmy is msu1 :> 01[18:11] Jimmy.MSU1 = true; [18:11] (as in real snes hardware) [18:11] yeah but then that just gives hackers an easy way out [18:11] jimmy see above... 01[18:11] msu1 hacks are too big to submit on smwc though [18:12] if it becomes real thats not an easy way out its a resource 01[18:12] and not that many people use bsnes [18:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrRFOmXaS04 [18:12] jimmys theme song [18:12] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> i thought we were all for revolutions in hacking :< [18:12] I am all for revolutions in hacking 01[18:12] this isnt a revolution in hacking, its a cheating in hacking [18:12] as long as they are reasonable [18:12] ^ @ Icey [18:12] how is it cheating if this becomes real hardware?? 01[18:12] arent you modding the original hardware for this 01[18:12] ? 03[18:13] * mockingod (Mibbit@a.little.place.called.hell) has joined #serioushax [18:13] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> no [18:13] as far as I can tell it works much like any other co processor [18:13] so it's supposed to be like a custom processor [18:13] like the SPC700? [18:14] quoted from byuu "It's quite likely real hardware will be available for it, too." [18:14] well 01[18:14] well it ruins the fun in smw hacking and makes it feel like a fangame imo and makes people who are really good at portng feel worthless for composing/porting music [18:15] if there's something as revolutionary as this [18:15] people may as well make fan games instead [18:15] like Icey said [18:15] it ruins the whole feel of hacking 01[18:15] yeah why not just implement a 3d-engine in smw too [18:15] beause that for the most part can't be done effectivly on a real snes 03[18:16] * TLMB (Mibbit@caffie-B8ACBE81.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #serioushax [18:16] Hi everyone 01[18:16] the point is though, you may as well make a fangame instead [18:16] HFD [18:16] hi [18:16] the sprite [18:16] Yes? [18:16] it doesn't insert [18:16] Did fail? [18:16] :< [18:16] What's the error? [18:16] I see it as if a real snes can do it still then its not a fan game because you still have edited the original game for a specific feature [18:16] oh wait [18:16] may as well say ExGFX makes it a fan game [18:16] silly me~ [18:17] I didn't fix the pastebin issue [18:17] :3 [18:17] Realistically these are all fangames (Hacks that is), we're just lazier about it. 01[18:17] msu1 isnt even comparable to exgfx [18:17] MSU1 sounds awesome [18:17] they are still edits preformable on a snes...so yes I can see a comparison there [18:18] msu1 may as well be the nintendo CD attatchment. [18:18] pun not intended [18:18] If we can use other coprocessors why is this one different [18:19] just because its not official? 02[18:19] * Sonikku (BULLET.TRA@caffie-4ACB6B7A.static.rvsd.ca.charter.com) Quit (Quit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrRFOmXaS04 < bloodstar's theme song discuss) [18:19] HFD [18:19] Yes? [18:19] there is an error on line 281 [18:19] invalid operator [18:20] er [18:20] symbol name [18:20] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> ctrl+g 281 [18:20] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> see what's wrong [18:20] I have no idea what line 281 is. [18:20] oh silly me again~ [18:20] :3 [18:21] it's another pastebin issue 01[18:21] this one is different because it sucks compared to the others [18:21] I wouldn't say it sucks [18:21] I just feel as though it's cheating [18:22] Hi Jimmy [18:22] hi TLMB [18:22] how are you [18:22] I can't see what sucks about being able to stream up to 4gb in files into the snes. That's just me though I guess. [18:22] good I suppose 01[18:22] it sucks because it is cheating [18:22] I have no enmity today 01[18:22] thats what i meant to say [18:22] :) 02[18:22] * trackwtf (cornhol@853101BF.EEA2E7ED.E0455D11.IP) Quit (Quit: ) [18:22] 4 GB in roms? [18:22] what [18:22] personally I actually think the whole thing is rather awesome [18:22] explain the streaming [18:22] Hardly. It's exactly what the snes CD was going to do. [18:22] it's just that [18:22] Hardly cheating. [18:22] it's too good to be true [18:23] shameless bsnes advertising [18:23] I just see expansion chips as cheating 03[18:23] * Alcaro (.@caffie-9AD76292.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #serioushax 03[18:23] * ChanServ sets mode: +ao Alcaro Alcaro [18:23] just another way of capitalism on the internet [18:23] So, no DSP-1? [18:23] Jimmy, YI cheated? [18:23] somewhat [18:23] yeah YI uses chips... [18:23] No SuperFX? [18:24] yeah [18:24] superfx [18:24] but [18:24] this chip isn't even official [18:24] So? [18:24] ugh [18:24] It officially works. [18:24] this does not feel morally correct 01[18:24] maybe you would realise if you were great at music porting. some people have worked like 10 hours for a single port 01[18:24] and now that doesnt feel special anymore [18:24] I understand music porting is hard never said it wasn't [18:24] I'm not even thinking in terms of music porting. [18:25] Or music in general. [18:25] there have been occassions where I spend days just composing/porting music for my hack [18:25] HFD, I will never use pastebin again [18:25] but [18:25] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> so does this mean we aren't allowed to progress simply because other people will feel bad? [18:25] not to mention the MSU1 does more than sound. [18:25] the sprite finally inserted [18:25] and then there's the trouble of using samples too [18:25] Allows the streaming of 4gb files. That has a myriad of uses. [18:25] custom music is still awesome [18:26] TLMB, did you copy the pastebin from the top, or the editing field? [18:26] just as long as people port the gems [18:26] the editing field [18:26] you don't need an extra 4gb to make music sound good [18:26] it helps [18:26] Huh. Never had anything like that happen before. [18:26] that's just the lazy excuse for "oh I don't feel like optimizing, so LETS INSERT A BUNCH OF DATA" [18:26] you know they choose 4GB as a limit for a reason right...? [18:26] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> it's not really optimizing jimmy [18:27] you don't need an extra 4gb to make music sound good <- I'm not even talking about music. Code, GFX Data, anything. [18:27] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> more like, limiting it to smw [18:27] I understand that this is supposed to be awesome and all [18:27] but it is [18:27] it just... [18:27] honestly [18:27] feels to good to be true [18:27] like [18:27] I don't know [18:27] this honestly doesn't all seem possible without cheating in some way [18:28] think of it like this....for alll those hours you spend porting somebody could be working months to design such a chip [18:28] It is though... Someone is already working on a SNES hardware implementation. [18:28] the work is in different areas but still there [18:28] either way though [18:28] I am not using it 01[18:29] ^ [18:29] And that's your right, just seems weird to complain about a new chip. 01[18:29] (if i make a hack..) [18:29] HFD, the sprite isn't appearing in level :< [18:29] I will only use it if I eventually somehow run out of space in my hack and I actually need it [18:29] Then the RAM is acting wierd for some reason. 01[18:30] his ROM is like 50mb and there are only like 5 different tracks o_o [18:30] I am not going to say you must use it, in fact I don't care if anybody uses it ....I am just saying that it is not cheating [18:30] That's because WAVs are uncompressed. 01[18:30] i know that but still [18:30] Also, what he said. [18:30] You can't cheat in SMW hacking [18:30] if you call cheating [18:30] 80min of WAVs is about 700MB [18:30] then delete LM from you computer [18:31] and download transhexalation 01[18:31] cheating or not, the game is so similar to a fangame [18:31] so is the SuperFX is that ever hits smw then [18:31] what's so bad about that? 01[18:31] i would make a fangame instead of making a hack with TONS of ASM hacks and custom-custom music 01[18:31] msu1 [18:31] yeah [18:31] fangames can't be played on the wii ;) [18:32] it may as well be a fan game with all that custom stuff then [18:32] lolwii [18:32] <&Alcaro> msu doesn't work on wii either 01[18:32] does mfgg.net work for anyone else [18:32] <&Alcaro> This account has been suspended. [18:32] <&Alcaro> Either the domain has been overused, or the reseller ran out of resources. [18:32] @alcaro a port of bsnes to the wii is always possible [18:32] Cool, let's just stop calling it hacking. We're all making fan games, because everything we're doing is cheating from the original game. 01[18:32] not really, i just find msu1 kinda ridic 02[18:33] * &Alcaro (.@caffie-9AD76292.tbcn.telia.com) Quit (Quit: school) [18:33] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> okay i better start reading [18:33] <%Ladida|ReaDDing> might keep a log of this discussion :P [18:34] lol [18:34] HFD is correct iceguy think about brutal mario for example.... tons and tons of asm gimmiks and exgfx etc....still a hack though [18:34] that should be a fangame though 01[18:35] no, BM feels nothing like BMF's hack [18:35] the thing is [18:35] when I play hacks [18:35] BMFs hack feels exactly like mario, but it has music that sounds "better" 01[18:35] it REALLY does feel like a fangame [18:35] I usually like to think that they could be played on a real SNES 01[18:35] im sure others would agree [18:35] if they were actually made back in the SNES's time [18:35] MSU1 [18:36] didn't exist [18:36] back then [18:36] I can't believe you guys are making a fuss out of music enhancement [18:36] well if this chip was around in that area it would be plenty possible [18:36] But the snes CD almost did. [18:36] though [18:36] eh [18:36] It is an interest conversation 01[18:36] not really making a fuss but if it does sound like that i'll stop [18:36] thats like saying because fire use to be made without matches we can't use them [18:36] And the SNES CD is the same thing, except it has a special attatchment insted of using flash memory or something. [18:36] and highly intellectual [18:37] oh well [18:37] continue on [18:37] hackers of the future [18:37] I am mainly worried that SMW hacks will just basically overuse the hell out of this [18:37] eh well i have to go [18:37] Look at the phillips CD-i, that's what this would have looked like if nintendo had made it back in the day. 02[18:37] * TLMB (Mibbit@caffie-B8ACBE81.hsd1.il.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: live long and profit) 01[18:37] I am mainly worried that SMW hacks will just basically overuse the hell out of this <- yes [18:37] jimmy I have one thing for you to concider [18:38] Jimmy52905> I am mainly worried that SMW hacks will just basically overuse the hell out of this <- No, they won't. [18:38] hmm? [18:38] A) Hard to do. [18:38] bye [18:38] B) No one uses bsnes,. [18:38] Hu: true... [18:38] people must use ORIGINAL or COPYRIGHT FREE music....sooo there can be a lot of creativity there still 02[18:38] * zKiP (zKiP@caffie-F28EC6FA.ipt.aol.com) Quit (Quit: Jimmy is gay. discuss) [18:38] C) You can't upload things larger than 4mb to SMWCentral [18:38] lol no one cares about copyrights anymore [18:38] this site does. 01[18:39] it doesnt sound hard to do but you are right about very few people using bsnes [18:39] I have a rather large hunch that nobody will allow for uploaded copyrighted mp3s much like no uploaded roms [18:39] technically we already use copyrighted material [18:39] such as gfx from other games 03[18:39] * Mue (muemuemue@caffie-87B6079B.brodm3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #serioushax [18:39] and such [18:39] That second one will stop some 90% of hackers (Myself included) from even considering it [18:39] why would music be any different? [18:39] music is more extreme and has major abvocates that can sue and frequently do 01[18:39] but it would annoy me when people say 'z0mg this is so awesome!!!111 10/10 hack' [18:40] Music is a little more modern and up to date with copyright stuff. [18:40] ..true [18:40] They on't care too much about the graphics from 20 year old video games. [18:40] so that limits a lot of music to what people create [18:40] or find uner public domain/creative commons [18:40] Same as they don't care that we all obviously have downloaded an illegal ROM God knows how many times. 01[18:41] and then after playing his hack they find other hacks to be shit [18:41] hi [18:41] well it would be interesting to see some original songs in SMW hacks from this [18:41] and then after playing his hack they find other hacks to be shit <- Realistically, why would we care what those kind of people think anyways? [18:41] but not much of the SMWC is particularly good at composing music though :P 06[18:41] * Iceguy hugs Mue ^-^ [18:41] :> [18:42] personally I would think only original songs should be allowed to prevent any possible copyright law 01[18:42] because they are the ones who play our hacks [18:42] yeah [18:42] I guess if you are obsessed with people liking your hacks that could be a problem... [18:43] concider this....people will always like some things more than others [18:43] I'm sorry, I'm being a bit of a dick again. [18:43] HuFlungDick [18:43] :P 01[18:43] lol [18:43] obviously something with many asm hacks (can but not always) do better than a vanilla hack [18:43] but they are still great pieces of art 01[18:43] i dont really care much about music though, and also i like debates [18:44] heh [18:44] (I am argueing pretty much only for the debate I don't care who does what) [18:44] I wonder how SNN would react to this whole music thing [18:44] :P 01[18:44] haha 01[18:44] yeah 01[18:44] i was wondering that 01[18:44] he hasnt posted yet has he? [18:44] Well I got that logs we can send [18:44] don't think so [18:45] I could link him the thread next time I see him on MSN [18:45] in fact... [18:45] I think he's on right now [18:45] I think this convo is a better display of thoughts but ok 01[18:45] 1 hour convo :D 01[18:45] yeah he's on right now [18:45] whoa this lasted a whole hour? [18:45] o.O 01[18:45] 57 minutes [18:46] close enough 01[18:46] i started it with this: http://www.smwcentral.net/?p=viewthread&t=38165 meh MSU1 sucks 01[18:46] lol [18:46] haha 01[18:47] although 01[18:47] this place was dead before that 01[18:47] it needed some activity [18:47] well you got it 03[18:47] * ChaoticFox (ChaoticFox@caffie-38BA74B1.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #serioushax [18:47] heh [18:47] nice job Icey [18:47] you revived the place [18:47] :P 01[18:47] :D 06[18:47] * p4plus2 takes note on how to revive serioushax [18:48] yeah just link to some random new enhancement chip [18:48] :P [18:48] Those occur often enough, right? 01[18:48] now whos up for a good debate on whether savestates/fast-forwarding/rewinding is cheating? 06[18:48] * Iceguy runs [18:48] lol [18:48] That's far less interesting really. [18:49] yeah 01[18:49] yeah, kinda dumb